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[JigStix]

Originally Posted by reds

No... Decisions have to be made within the law. I can point you to the law. Can you point me to your data for your statement?

Oh of course, all political decisions are made within the law, ethically, with no bribery, extortion, etc. Politics (and that's what this is) are completley clean. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrreee...........

I do seem to recall a thread where you stated that exactly what is happening was not happening, so I'm guessing that the data you said did not exist for this to occur manifested itself out of thin air. You are obviously very defensive on this subject, I guess I would be too when C&R was attacked only to up commercial quotas. Gotta save the spawners so the comms can kill them in the ocean!

[reds]

Originally Posted by JigStix

Oh of course, all political decisions are made within the law, ethically, with no bribery, extortion, etc. Politics (and that's what this is) are completley clean. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrreee...........

I do seem to recall a thread where you stated that exactly what is happening was not happening, so I'm guessing that the data you said did not exist for this to occur manifested itself out of thin air. You are obviously very defensive on this subject, I guess I would be too when C&R was attacked only to up commercial quotas. Gotta save the spawners so the comms can kill them in the ocean!

It's amazing how memory recall is not accurate.
70+ percent are now killed by rec fishermen.

As to the C&R. Pictures were worth a 1000 words. When you attempt to boost an ego, you have to be careful what you present. A bite in the a$$ could be the result.

[5th Tuition]

Originally Posted by reds

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As to the C&R. Pictures were worth a 1000 words. When you attempt to boost an ego, you have to be careful what you present. A bite in the a$$ could be the result.

Reds; thanks for confirming why most rec's on both TF and CBangler no longer post detailed reports. Maybe the rec's should start asking for photo's of comm misbehavior. Perhaps under the freedom of information act; we can ask DNR for some of the photo's used to convict poachers and illegal netting. Thanks for the idea. I will challange MSSA, CCA, RFA, and others to collect these photo's and publish them in magazines and newspapers to try to sway public opinion.
5th (Marty)

[JigStix]

Originally Posted by 5th Tuition

Reds; thanks for confirming why most rec's on both TF and CBangler no longer post detailed reports. Maybe the rec's should start asking for photo's of comm misbehavior. Perhaps under the freedom of information act; we can ask DNR for some of the photo's used to convict poachers and illegal netting. Thanks for the idea. I will challange MSSA, CCA, RFA, and others to collect these photo's and publish them in magazines and newspapers to try to sway public opinion.
5th (Marty)

That is a fine idea. I believe I will join you in that pursuit.

[reds]

Originally Posted by 5th Tuition

Reds; thanks for confirming why most rec's on both TF and CBangler no longer post detailed reports. Maybe the rec's should start asking for photo's of comm misbehavior. Perhaps under the freedom of information act; we can ask DNR for some of the photo's used to convict poachers and illegal netting. Thanks for the idea. I will challange MSSA, CCA, RFA, and others to collect these photo's and publish them in magazines and newspapers to try to sway public opinion.
5th (Marty)

To my knowledge (I go back before World Wide Angler) I never saw a picture posted on Tidal Fish, World Wide Angler and or the Chesapeake whatever it was called, of bleeding fish caught, when it was supposed to be just catch and release. Even the big ego's of that time were smart enough not to post such pictures.

As far as DNR and the FOI act. Take your best shot, I could care less.

Maybe you can ask the Coast Guard to release photos and info on the citations issued this winter for the recs caught fishing over the 3 mile line. 300,000 to 800,000 big fish are caught and kept in that fishery every winter.

[B-Faithful]

Originally Posted by reds

Maybe you can ask the Coast Guard to release photos and info on the citations issued this winter for the recs caught fishing over the 3 mile line. 300,000 to 800,000 big fish are caught and kept in that fishery every winter.

Coast Guard and other officials basically turn their back on the fishery because it books hotels, fills restaurants, packs charterboats, keeps marinas busy, causes tons of fuel to be purchased, etc. in areas that where near ghost towns not to long ago. The economic impact of striped bass is far greater as a sport fish and now they talk about increasing the coastal commercial quota, potentially at the expense of the recreational fishery. That is foolishness and poor management... (not that I am saying the illegal eez fishing is ok, just pointing out facts)

Besides, I would think that Chesapeake Bay watermen would be against the increased coastal commercial quota. All it stands to do is drive down the value of the fish by potentially putting more on the market and giving them more competition.

[Mikie]

Originally Posted by B-Faithful

Coast Guard and other officials basically turn their back on the fishery because it books hotels, fills restaurants, packs charterboats, keeps marinas busy, causes tons of fuel to be purchased, etc. in areas that where near ghost towns not to long ago. The economic impact of striped bass is far greater as a sport fish and now they talk about increasing the coastal commercial quota, potentially at the expense of the recreational fishery. That is foolishness and poor management...

Besides, I would think that Chesapeake Bay watermen would be against the increased coastal commercial quota. All it stands to do is drive down the value of the fish by potentially putting more on the market and giving them more competition.

So basically you're saying that you think it's ok for recreational fishermen to break the law and you applaud the authorities for not issuing more citations?
What a CROCK. You need to grow up. You're entitled to your misguided opinion about sportfish, gamefish, etc., but breaking the law is breaking the law, doesn't matter which segment is being illegal (commercial or recreational) they should all be prosecuted.

[B-Faithful]

I didnt say it was ok to break the law. note the edit I made before you posted in order to make my points clear. I was noting that there is an increase in demand for the fish recreationally and the authorities recognize it and the economic impact or they wouldnt let it go on like they do.

I do think they would be better off opening the EEZ and managing the fishery through creel limits or size limits. My bet is if they opened the EEZ and adjusted the creel or size that more of the the fish harvested would be better accounted for and the economic and social benefits would realized. I also think it would work for easier and more cost effective enforcement too as the creels and size limits could be checked at access points instead of attempting to cover a lot of open ocean.

The EEZ talk is irrelevant to this discussion as there is no good justification for increasing the commercial coastal quota, especially at the expense of recreational access and opportunity... If there is, state it and show us where I am misguided.

[crabby and son]

Originally Posted by Mikie

So basically you're saying that you think it's ok for recreational fishermen to break the law and you applaud the authorities for not issuing more citations?
What a CROCK. You need to grow up. You're entitled to your misguided opinion about sportfish, gamefish, etc., but breaking the law is breaking the law, doesn't matter which segment is being illegal (commercial or recreational) they should all be prosecuted.

NO where did he say that it's OK to break the law OR applaud authorities for not issuing citations. He was just summarizing the reasoning behind what is going on. Don't read between the lines ....read what is written..............Gary

[B-Faithful]

Originally Posted by reds

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It's amazing how memory recall is not accurate.
70+ percent are now killed by rec fishermen.

Reds, that is because of the value of the fish to our society both economically and socially. It should also be known that many states do not even all for a commercial harvest of the fish. ME, CT, NH, CT, NJ, PA, and SC all do not provide for the commercial harvest of the fish.

Just because recreational anglers take more fish, does not mean for good justification in expanding the coastal commercial quota. The ASMFC, NMFS, and NOAA are to MANAGE the fishery and our resources, not play moderator. Please give sound reasoning to why the coastal commercial harvest should be increased...



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