OPPS...Look Out Your Greed Is Showing

[5th Tuition]

Originally Posted by MdCrappie

Are you saying that "Legal Netting" or "Illegal Netting" has left this taste?
If "Legal" is your choice then I would have to ask you about "driving".
Does "Drunk" driving leave a bad taste? If so then how about "Sober" (or legal) driving? Get the analogy?
If you are "disturbed" by "Illegal" netting and approve banning "ALL" netting, then wouldn't that be the same as banning "All" driving because of "Drunk" driving?

Unfortunatly, illegal netting is influencing public opinion of ALL netting. The public has been saturated with watermen poaching enormace quantities of fish in the 5 year "sting" operation with the feds; raiding oyster santuaries; and now performing illegal netting. It's a shame the leadership of the watermen allowed this to continue for so long.

Your analogy with drunk driving may not be a good one to pursue. Here's why. I'm sure there was a time where drinking and driving was if not legal, it was considered not so major an offense. I can remember stories of the police either escorting the drunk home, or letting him "sleep it off" and be on his way when sober. Drunk driving was treated with a "wink of the eye". Many watermen have had this curtesy extended to them throughout the years.
Eventually, drunk driving was taken seriously and it was BANNED. Now, if you are caught driving, even just "under the influance", you will lose your license after only a few convictions.
It's a shame your leadership didn't call for the loss of the waterman's license years ago when this practice was being committed. NOW, Larry Simm's is calling for the loss of license for those convicted of this LATEST crime. TOO LATE to influence public opinion. The damage has been done!

So you see, there was a progression from the "wink,wink" of drunk driving to the public demand of banning drunk driving. We may be seeing a progression from the "wink, wink" of poaching, to a ban on all netting.
The continued poaching of natural resourses by a few, has tarnished the many. The time to call for more stringent measures on the habitual offenders was long ago, not now.

I'm sorry the legal netters will be impacted by the actions of the few. I don't see a ban on netting taking place, but it appears that MSSA will have an easier time asking for a reallocation of the quota.
Let me repeat, I don't see a ban on netting taking place, but it appears that MSSA will have an easier time to asking for a reallocation of the quota.
5th (Marty)

[Mikie]

"I'm sorry the legal netters will be impacted by the actions of the few. I don't see a ban on netting taking place, but it appears that MSSA will have an easier time asking for a reallocation of the quota.
Let me repeat, I don't see a ban on netting taking place, but it appears that MSSA will have an easier time to asking for a reallocation of the quota."


I don't believe the DNR is too hopped up about reallocation of commercial quota to the rec sector under the guise of conservation. Read Griffith's complete response to the MSSA "White Paper".

[5th Tuition]

Originally Posted by Mikie

"I'm sorry the legal netters will be impacted by the actions of the few. I don't see a ban on netting taking place, but it appears that MSSA will have an easier time asking for a reallocation of the quota.
Let me repeat, I don't see a ban on netting taking place, but it appears that MSSA will have an easier time to asking for a reallocation of the quota."


I don't believe the DNR is too hopped up about reallocation of commercial quota to the rec sector under the guise of conservation. Read Griffith's complete response to the MSSA "White Paper".

Two more nets found again today. This can not help your cause! This has to stop! Eventually, whether Griffith likes the "white paper" or not, he will have to do something.
Stop the poaching! Clean up your house! You are putting yourselves out of work! Don't be mad with me, police your own!
5th (Marty)

[Mikie]

Originally Posted by 5th Tuition

Two more nets found again today. This can not help your cause! This has to stop! Eventually, whether Griffith likes the "white paper" or not, he will have to do something.
Stop the poaching! Clean up your house! You are putting yourselves out of work! Don't be mad with me, police your own!
5th (Marty)

Don't be yelling at me - I don't own a net, if I knew who was setting them I'd be collecting the reward. On the other side of the coin, I'm not running around screaming to redistribute the allocation more toward the group who is ALREADY harvesting the majority of the fish.

[5th Tuition]

Originally Posted by Mikie

Don't be yelling at me - I don't own a net, if I knew who was setting them I'd be collecting the reward. On the other side of the coin, I'm not running around screaming to redistribute the allocation more toward the group who is ALREADY harvesting the majority of the fish.

Mikie;

I've dropped my MSSA membership and it is not I who is asking for a reallocation of the resourse.

I have not called for a ban on all netting.

I have not called for rockfish to have gamefish status.

I am guilty of two things; I am a rec angler, and I am disgusted with the poaching of the bays resourses. If you can't communicate with me, best of luck with those calling for one, or all of the above.
Sorry I can't get whatever it is that you are "selling".
Best of luck in your endevors.
5th (Marty)

[Mikie]

Originally Posted by 5th Tuition

Mikie;

I've dropped my MSSA membership and it is not I who is asking for a reallocation of the resourse.

I have not called for a ban on all netting.

I have not called for rockfish to have gamefish status.

I am guilty of two things; I am a rec angler, and I am disgusted with the poaching of the bays resourses. If you can't communicate with me, best of luck with those calling for one, or all of the above.
Sorry I can't get whatever it is that you are "selling".
Best of luck in your endevors.
5th (Marty)

I'm not "selling" anything other then common sense when approaching a problem instead of mass hysteria and trying to cash in on the situation.
I am just as disgusted as anyone else about the ILLEGAL nets. From your point of view, EVERYONE who holds a commercial license should know who's responsible and should turn them in. Guess what - it doesn't work that way. Do you know all of the recs who may break the law in a given year? The only good part of this whole mess is that ALL of these fish have been deducted from the commercial quota, therefore, there hasn't been a net loss of fish. They would have been caught legally if the season had run it's normal length. If the DNR does it's job effectively, maybe they can put these guys out of business.

[reds]

The key word is "coincidence" with the white paper.

Was all this planned by someone wanting more allocation for their user group?

$10,000 reward??? DNR doesn't know who, and probably will never know.

25000 lbs of fish is a cheap way to lose a user group.

[Bug Guy]

Originally Posted by Mikie

I'm not "selling" anything other then common sense when approaching a problem instead of mass hysteria and trying to cash in on the situation....

Sorry, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but that's sort of funny to me considering what happened last year. Not just you, but all the responses that have the same sentiment. I don't know your perspective or your thoughts on PSCR, and I dont' really care - but I'll make the general statement that commercial watermen and some (maybe most) charter boat captains set up a system for fisheries management that does just that - NOT use a common sense approach & DOES feed into the hysteria to cash in. I feel for the honest ones, but in reality, they all created this situation for themselves. However, I can tell you this - I don't like the snowballing of the situation and the hysteria behind it because it could just as easily come back to bite the rec fisherman in the ass as well.

My opinion, the entire thing is a giant freak'n joke and in the end, no one will win.

[MdCrappie]

Originally Posted by 5th Tuition

Your analogy with drunk driving may not be a good one to pursue. Here's why. I'm sure there was a time where drinking and driving was if not legal, it was considered not so major an offense. I can remember stories of the police either escorting the drunk home, or letting him "sleep it off" and be on his way when sober. Drunk driving was treated with a "wink of the eye". Many watermen have had this curtesy extended to them throughout the years.
Eventually, drunk driving was taken seriously and it was BANNED. Now, if you are caught driving, even just "under the influance", you will lose your license after only a few convictions.
It's a shame your leadership didn't call for the loss of the waterman's license years ago when this practice was being committed. NOW, Larry Simm's is calling for the loss of license for those convicted of this LATEST crime. TOO LATE to influence public opinion. The damage has been done!

So you see, there was a progression from the "wink,wink" of drunk driving to the public demand of banning drunk driving. We may be seeing a progression from the "wink, wink" of poaching, to a ban on all netting.
The continued poaching of natural resourses by a few, has tarnished the many. The time to call for more stringent measures on the habitual offenders was long ago, not now.

5th (Marty)

Seems to me to be a Perfect analogy, but you are letting out a step

Overlooked Poaching, Crackdown on Poaching, Make all Nets Illegal

Overlooked DUI, Crackdown on DUI, Make all Driving Illegal

[reds]

Looks like MSSA changed Secretary Griffin's letter to suit themselves.
If they will change letters, what else will they do???

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/spor...ssa_style.html

Bwahahahahaha.

Git um Candy.