Hey Philk999

[Skip]

That two year lag worries me.

Far too many good anglers / guides / charters are reporting the number of big Rock as being much less then just a few years ago. Not just in Md but up and down the coast.

There has to be a better / faster way to get info to ASMFC.

[reds]

Originally Posted by Skip

That two year lag worries me.

Far too many good anglers / guides / charters are reporting the number of big Rock as being much less then just a few years ago. Not just in Md but up and down the coast.

There has to be a better / faster way to get info to ASMFC.

The 2 year lag has been going on since the moratorium was taken off in 1991.

Patterns change. The Stripers didn't used to gather off the mouth of the bay in the winter. Pattern changed (weather) then they did. Pattern changed (weather) and they were back off the Carolina coast. Same thing is happening up the coast.

[Skip]

Not trying to be smart - picture computers in 1991 vs now.

There has to be a better way to get ASMFC updated / current info with today's computer systems.

Picture the old system of mailing letters - 3-5 days vs E mail of today that takes 3-5 seconds.

You have to wonder if info two years old is of any worth.

[reds]

Originally Posted by Skip

Not trying to be smart - picture computers in 1991 vs now.

There has to be a better way to get ASMFC updated / current info with today's computer systems.

Picture the old system of mailing letters - 3-5 days vs E mail of today that takes 3-5 seconds.

You have to wonder if info two years old is of any worth.

The best time to count the large Stripers is when they are massed in the ocean in the winter. To my knowledge winter only happens once a year and it takes time to assemble data. I'm sure budget constraints also enter into the 2 year cycle.

If you don't think 2 years data is of any worth, you may want to talk to the US government about the Census (10 year cycle). It's been working for 2 hundred plus years

[crabby and son]

Originally Posted by reds

The best time to count the large Stripers is when they are massed in the ocean in the winter. To my knowledge winter only happens once a year and it takes time to assemble data. I'm sure budget constraints also enter into the 2 year cycle.

If you don't think 2 years data is of any worth, you may want to talk to the US government about the Census (10 year cycle). It's been working for 2 hundred plus years

The census has remained a steady slow climb for the past 100 years BUT the last 10 years has been a huge climb and very different too Hate to see the next census. Sometimes 2 year old data is good but not in this case ASMFC.........Gary

[Skip]

Two years - government time - now it makes more sense.

Still should be a way to rely daily catch numbers on the survey boats.

My real worry - all the big Rock taken the last few years are not being accounted for - now. By 2012 - might be far fewer then the two year old info tells them.

Tough to compare people census to a fish count.

[reds]

Originally Posted by Skip

Two years - government time - now it makes more sense.

Still should be a way to rely daily catch numbers on the survey boats.

My real worry - all the big Rock taken the last few years are not being accounted for - now. By 2012 - might be far fewer then the two year old info tells them.

Tough to compare people census to a fish count.

Still should be a way to rely daily catch numbers on the survey boats.

I'm sure there is. But what is the big hurry? Why daily?

ASMFC plays the tune that we dance to. So get used to the tune. Trying to change them ain't going to happen.

Ask CCA. Their chapters up north have been screaming for the EEZ to open, It hasn't happen. CCA wanted the minimum sizes changed, it didn't happen and won't.

[reds]

Originally Posted by crabby and son

The census has remained a steady slow climb for the past 100 years BUT the last 10 years has been a huge climb and very different too Hate to see the next census. Sometimes 2 year old data is good but not in this case ASMFC.........Gary

So tell me what is bad about ASMFC's data? Could it be, it's not what you want to hear? Don't believe everything you read about the doom & gloom. Most that are preaching doom and gloom have an agenda.

[crabby and son]

Originally Posted by reds

So tell me what is bad about ASMFC's data? Could it be, it's not what you want to hear? Don't believe everything you read about the doom & gloom. Most that are preaching doom and gloom have an agenda.

I did not say anything bad about the data but the two year lag. I'm not convinced of doom and gloom yet but don't want to wait two years to respond either. There is a shortage of big fish right now and we will have to wait and see if it is a shortage or a delay. The sooner a problem can be addressed the better. Sometimes not much happens in two years BUT sometimes a lot happens in 6 months................Gary