02-12-2015, 08:05 AM
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Where I think the no-take slot will hurt is in recreation violations. DNR is going to have to be real-clear on how fish are measured. For me I have always flat tailed measure just to make sure we are over a mark. What happens if an officer can squeeze a tail a tad more than the boat did. A 35.5" fish can go over 36" with a tail squeeze. A flat ruler vs a tape that curves on the fish can add a 1/4" or more too. DNR noted that there was a significant increase in violations with the last time we had a no-take slot. Hopefully they will do a good job at notifying and education to help reduce that. Also if they are in place multiple years, participants will have a better understanding.
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I should note that I also fear people screaming about release mortality too. Though I believe the release mortality to be very low (especially in the colder water) and the slot will reduce overall mortality, it is only going to take a few photos of floating big fish to tug at some's heart strings. The battle over C&R will heat up again too.
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02-12-2015, 02:05 PM
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I should note that I also fear people screaming about release mortality too. Though I believe the release mortality to be very low (especially in the colder water) and the slot will reduce overall mortality, it is only going to take a few photos of floating big fish to tug at some's heart strings. The battle over C&R will heat up again too.
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You may want to call DNR and ask, but I believe a tail squeeze is the correct way to keep yourself out of trouble.
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02-12-2015, 02:39 PM
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Reds / others - When we had the slot limit before , a good friend of mine was checked at Sandy Point by two DNR officers.
The fish was just a kiss under 36 when on measuring stick but over a kiss when officer pinched the tail.
The two officers were not sure which was correct way to measure. One wanted to give him a citation - other thought fish was legal.
My friend argued the point - sounded like it got ugly real quick , knowing him.
End result - DNR let him keep the fish but told him next time to pinch the tail.
Now it gets better - same guy , week later at Solomons with a pinched tail Rock at 40 1/4. Officer checks and flat tail it is just under 40 inches.
He explained what officers at Sandy Point had told him - this officer said that was wrong.
I agree - the slot makes for honest mistakes. IMHO - 36 flat tail is simple / easy.
With this new slot - I'll likely C/R any just over 35 inches to avoid confusion. Over 40's I usually C/R anyway.
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02-12-2015, 03:01 PM
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Reds I believe you are correct that it is the pinched tail.
However this all goes to my point that there will be confusion, especially with the occasional weekend warriors, and this will cause more problems than the simplified 36" and up regulations (to which the ASMFC Technical committee and Law Enforcement Committee both recommended)
Either way, I don't care but see where the no take slot may cause more PR problems.
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02-12-2015, 03:53 PM
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Reds I believe you are correct that it is the pinched tail.
However this all goes to my point that there will be confusion, especially with the occasional weekend warriors, and this will cause more problems than the simplified 36" and up regulations (to which the ASMFC Technical committee and Law Enforcement Committee both recommended)
Either way, I don't care but see where the no take slot may cause more PR problems.
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IIRC< I was at a TFAC meeting when the subject was brought up. The DNR high ranking officer said the tail had to be pinched to measure.
28 to 36" saves the cows and stops the crying from the people who can not catch, but think it's the lack of fish.
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02-13-2015, 12:15 PM
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IMHO, the new regs should be:
Spring, (1) fish 28"-36", barbless hooks only
May-15-Dec-15, (1) fish 20"-28"
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02-13-2015, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rivercat09
IMHO, the new regs should be:
Spring, (1) fish 28"-36", barbless hooks only
May-15-Dec-15, (1) fish 20"-28"
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I agree so long as the fishery is really as bad as some claim. I don't think it is. It's funny to me MSSA and the likes are the same groups saying there are no rockfish yet lobbying to have an over 40" limit.
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02-13-2015, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Rivercat09
IMHO, the new regs should be:
Spring, (1) fish 28"-36", barbless hooks only
May-15-Dec-15, (1) fish 20"-28"
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I agree with this 100%.
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02-15-2015, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rivercat09
IMHO, the new regs should be:
Spring, (1) fish 28"-36", barbless hooks only
May-15-Dec-15, (1) fish 20"-28"
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One fish in the summer might be OK for people that can get out and fish whenever they want, but I guarantee that my customers won't like the idea. Don't forget that for many charter customers, it is their only trip of the year.
I say let 'em eat
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