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Old 01-16-2014, 01:29 PM
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Two and two are not adding up to four since no public hearings were held.

I'm almost guessing - rule was intended for fresh water.
Oh Skip, you are soooo wrong. I spoke to a Mr Holt in DNR. He assured me that public meetings were held and it was "advertised" even on public radio. He said they also went through ASMC (?) (whatever there worthless initials are), but there was NO OPOSITION to the bill. It was INTENDED to apply to ALL state waters.
I told him I was involved in the PSCR regulation change, and their was so much public comment that we occassionally had to move the venue because the original hall wouldn't hold all the people wanting to speak out against the changing regulations. I asked him if he really believed that there would be NO opposition to changing my gear during the season based upon how much opposition there was to PSCR?
I told him this was a sneaky underhanded way to pass new legislation. DNR was so embarressed by the way it was handled they didn't even put it in the booklet handed out with your new license.
He continued to assure me that there was plenty of opportunity for the stakeholders to voice their concern on this bill before it went into effect.
He took my name and contact information and said he would let his superiors know how I felt.

We may get them to REVERT back to this being for non-tidal waters; but this was done specifically to address trolling in the Bay.

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Old 01-16-2014, 01:47 PM
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Marty , I'd like to see when / where it was advertised. Got a feeling it was 3 in morning on Monday on some old AM radio station.

Odd no one I know heard anything about this - including four members of sport fish comm.

I talked to 3 charter captains - their various organizations were not notified either.

Nor was MSSA.

I read the Sunpaper daily - never saw anything - although often I see hook / line opening and closings.

By having zero opposition - shows no one heard about this.

Look at how fast info has spread in just 2-3 days. Not even sure who first found out about it. Friend called me - he saw it on another web site.

Surely some one would have posted about this if it was really well advertised.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:26 PM
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Marty , I'd like to see when / where it was advertised. Got a feeling it was 3 in morning on Monday on some old AM radio station.

Odd no one I know heard anything about this - including four members of sport fish comm.

I talked to 3 charter captains - their various organizations were not notified either.

Nor was MSSA.

I read the Sunpaper daily - never saw anything - although often I see hook / line opening and closings.

By having zero opposition - shows no one heard about this.

Look at how fast info has spread in just 2-3 days. Not even sure who first found out about it. Friend called me - he saw it on another web site.

Surely some one would have posted about this if it was really well advertised.
I've traced the notifications back to public hearing held in three different locations in early May. The Sport Fishing Advisory Committee was also notified of the proposed changes at their May meetings.

DNR didn't drop the ball or do anything sneaky, MSSA, CCA SFAC and the Maryland Charter Boat Association all dropped the ball.

Maybe everyone should send emails to the SFAC reps and ask them to stop trying to micro manage commercial fishing and pay attention to the recreational side.
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DNR didn't drop the ball or do anything sneaky, MSSA, CCA SFAC and the Maryland Charter Boat Association all dropped the ball.
bull stuffing If they communicated clearly "everyone else" wouldn't have dropped the ball.
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:45 AM
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bull stuffing If they communicated clearly "everyone else" wouldn't have dropped the ball.
Spoken like a true school kid..... Man up..... MSSA and CCA reps dropped the ball because they were more interested in commercial regs.
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Skip; Absolutely, this was done with the intent to not have any opposition.

Not only did they pass this 'EMERGENCY" legislation; but they didn't even have the balls to put it in the new fishing booklet you get with your fishing license.

Somebody needs to be shown the door. Should it be Dave Smith (MSSA) or somebody in DNR; not sure at this moment, but somebody dropped the ball and recreational fishermen are paying the price.

Call DNR 1-877-620-8367 to voice your displeasure.
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Reds; I see you posted while I was writting.

If all those organizations were informed of the imposing legislation and neglected to tell us (recs), this is inexcusable.
MSSA and CCA send me emails all the time giving me updates or "news" about fishing topics.
I don't belong to either of these organizations. Dropped MSSA after they SUPPORTED PSCR restrictions, and never joined CCA.
I know lots of people who do belong to these groups, and they never received a heads up.

I have been totally blindsided by this, but will continue to fight. My feelings about DNR could not get any lower.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:50 PM
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Reds; I see you posted while I was writting.

If all those organizations were informed of the imposing legislation and neglected to tell us (recs), this is inexcusable.
MSSA and CCA send me emails all the time giving me updates or "news" about fishing topics.
I don't belong to either of these organizations. Dropped MSSA after they SUPPORTED PSCR restrictions, and never joined CCA.
I know lots of people who do belong to these groups, and they never received a heads up.

I have been totally blindsided by this, but will continue to fight. My feelings about DNR could not get any lower.
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CCA, MSSA and the Maryland Charter Boat Association are all represented on SFAC.... SFAC members got the notice of the proposed changes. It appears they were to busy into other things to read the proposals.

If you read the meeting hand out for the May SFAC meetings you will see the notice of the public meetings . The SFAC members also received all proposed changes to comar regs.

In short, the members screwed up.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:57 PM
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Early May - correct me if I'm wrong but very busy time for most charter boat captains and the MSSA office.

Trust me - I'd burn my MSSA card if MSSA was only group who did not get word out.

Odd CCA and Md charterboat assoc. , among others - also missed it.

I'm wondering if in all the paperwork - SFAC members took it for a fresh water reg. ?

Good news - we can all put out 25 baited lines off jugs - per angler

Let's hope common sense fixes this quickly.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:59 PM
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I doubt DNR will change the wording anytime soon. There is a pending lawsuit having to do with rockfish. It would look not to spiffy to a judge, if they change one comar reg because of out cry and left another alone.
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