Fishing Stocks (Formerly in NRP Checks Thread)
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The feds say the stock is not decimated. (refer to the ASMFC 2011 report on Striped Bass) http://www.asmfc.org/. But what do they know, they are only scientists. |
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I don't believe what the Feds., or ASMFC say about the stock. I think they would lie to me to push their agenda (just like the IRS :eek:). I'm concerned what the people who fish for the stock have to say. What's your opinion. Do you think there are as many rockfish in the stock today as there were five years ago? I'm not trying to be a -ickhead. I am really interested in your response. I'm not even asking if the stock is in trouble; just if there are as many as in 2008-2009. Marty |
Every Capt & Mate I know and work with claim they can't remember seeing so many 18-25" fish.
In my limited experience here, I haven't seen schoolies in this number since I started fishing the mid-Bay area. |
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The feds have control of the Striped Bass stock and will continue to manage them as they see fit. If you have proof from a scientific source that the Striped Bass are in trouble, please post the data. I believe what you are hearing is the agenda to put commercial fishermen out of business. Lack of proof on a scientific study makes my belief even stronger. I also believe that the hammering the Striped Bass are taking in the winter, down in Virginia and North Carolina by rec fishermen should be controlled, better. |
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I know 5 years ago, I couldn't get my full spread out before having my limit (trophy season). Since they get hammered EVERYWHERE they go along the coast, I'm hoping the yoy index can keep up with the harvest. Tawn, You are correct, lots of 22- 25 inch fish in the midday. Last year, there was a ton of undersized fish, I hope these are the 17 inch guys from last year that have grown up:D 5th |
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There does seem to be a nice stock of them this early summer but they will be hammered and most that follow agree the ocean stock is way down, just my 2 cents, time will always tell. FOr now I am going to enjoy the good resident rock fishing but try to keep to one fish per person on my boat. J
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Fishing Stocks (Formerly in NRP Checks Thread)
Moving the discussion to its own thread.....
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I was just trying to insert the premise that the YOY has been down for a couple of years (after one of the best YOY indexes ever), and that if the stocks are diminished (not going so far as to say they are in danger of being unsustainable), that this might result in people catching less fish than 5 years ago. I wanted Reds professional opinion. Maybe he is seeing an increase that I'm missing. Trust me, I hope the stock is in better condition than it was 5 years ago. I'm looking for a respectable and responsible opinion from a Charter Captain who's on the water a lot more often than many of the posters on CBA. I gave my opinion. That's all it is, an opinion. No science or data to back it up (just anecdotal evidence). If the stock has increased over the last 5 years, then I must be doing something wrong:D. I still get my fish, but work harder to get them than years past. This isn't a Ban The Nets post. It's not a Ban Commercial Fishing post. It's not a Ban All Catch and Kill Tournaments. It's simply asking for an impression. Is rockfishing better or worse that 5 years ago? 5th (Whew) |
IMHO - There are less Rockfish then 5 years ago.
Going by my logbook - the decline in catching for me started about 6 years ago and has steadily gone down each year. I still catch Rockfish but have to put much more time / effort into it most trips. 2002 is what I consider the best year. Spring trolling often saw 25 to 50 big fish before noon. The summer bite was insane with many mid 30 inchers. Fall that year off Breezy was crazy - tandem bucktail rigs almost always got two at one time. Late fall / winter was just as good. 2003 and 2005 were also good - hard to believe how it has changed in last 6-7 years. |
It couldn't be that the Striped Bass have changed their 'Habits" and how to catch them has changed?
It couldn't be that the Striped Bass have finally reached a level that the Bay can accommodate? It couldn't be that the 2 per person limit of cows in other states is taking it's toll? It can't be any of the above, so let's just do away with a user group and all will be well. |
Reds, I'm sorry I ever wrote my post in the other thread. I see I'm not going to get a yes (I believe we have less fish than five years ago) or a no (we have more fish than five years ago).
This thread is not about eliminating a user group:mad: If it is true that they have "changed their habits" and you need different methods to catch them, I offer you an olive branch. If you would feel inclined to show me some of your techniques, I will pick up up at Kentmore Marina in my boat and we can go find some fish. I have trolling, chunking, and livelinning gear available. Tell me what to bring and I'll be there. If we need "specialized" lures other than what I have, you supply the lures and I will provide the boat, fuel, and rods. The livelinning in the mouth of Eastern Bay looks very promising. Fish were schooled up nicely. We could have liveliner or jiggled them. We were trolling and did OK, but "dropping" on them would have been more successful. I don't know why there is this "air of contention" between us. We both work in the "charter" industry, we both love to fish, we both want the fishery to expand, not contract, and it appears we have similar feelings about the direction of the country. This is like fly fishermen vs jiggers vs trollers; we need to find more common ground, not less (although I certainly see why sailboaters vs power boaters exists):D Catch Em Up, Marty |
What illegal nets is he referring to? the three nets they found a few years ago? He thinks there in a fish decline because of that? WOW. sounds to me like he has an agenda against commercial fishing. BTW I think there is a huge number of Rockfish out there, you don't need any tips to catch them, if you can't catch a Rock now you should take up golf or something :D I could catch my limit in about two minutes
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This is the second time the moderator has shown partiality toward one of his buddies in leaving a derogatory remark about commercial fishermen and removing mine. And you say this is not about other user groups. Might as well be Brandy in disguise. LOL. |
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For the life of me, I just don't get it. River cat makes a reference to POACHING, and somehow, you make the jump to an anti commercial thread. If you think this board (and the moderator) is equivalent to TF and Brandon, you are very mistaken. However, I'm done trying to convince you otherwise. I'm sure your impressions and opinions feel true to you, I'm just sorry you get the negative vibes from CBA. Best of luck to you the rest of the season. I hope you have a great one. 5th (Marty) |
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I didn't remove anything, so try reading again. Did I leave one of your posts in the other thread perhaps? But we know where YOUR bias lies. Nice Alinsky tactic. |
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...and we have a winner!! :D |
maybe I was wrong and Rivercat has no problem with commercial fishing, I just got a negative vive when I read his post.
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I hope folks over here on CBA don't have a problem with commercial fishing...I took tomorrow off to Hook & Line...:rolleyes:
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A simple Google search will reveal that there's enough blame go go around. http://somd.com/news/headlines/2011/13589.shtml http://www.thebaynet.com/news/index....story_ID/21552 Et cetera, et cetera... |
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Is it possible they know what they are doing? Next year will be different. |
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Wow; I guess this thread will not die a quiet death:D
Some people go through life wearing "rose colored glasses", others are suspicious of everything and everyone. I have been very careful in what I wrote in the previous posts. NEVER have I professed a HORRIBLE decline. I actually do believe that there is a decline in the total stock of striped bass. I am concerned about the breeding stock. Anyone who fished the trophy season as shortly as five years year's ago, knows it takes longer to catch your limit than it did ( this is my opinion). Reds implied that we need different tactics or a different delivery to catch fish today, as opposed to previous years. I am all for learning new techniques:D Reds also thought the moderator was biased against him:eek: I don't see any example of that, but he has a right to his opinion. It appears that ANYTHING that is written about commercial watermen is viewed as being extreme by either side. My example is you inserting the word HORRIBLE into my discussion. It's a shame this happens. It reduces the conversation by polarizing the participants. A good example of this happens to be this thread. I am done with it:( A good way to make sure the people who have an extreme view (like ban the nets; or make striped bass a gamefish) win the discussion is to silence those in the middle (who would like to see the stocks made more healthy). Feel free to make any comments. You have the floor. Best of luck to you. Be safe, catch fish. 5th (Marty) |
Oops; I will add one more thing.
CR and Reds; I look forward to seeing more post from you; Reds has been a regular on this forum for a good while, I see CR doesn't have very many posts. If you go back and view some of the other threads, you will see that our goal is to help other CBA's have a good experience fishing. Those of us who have the luxury of being on the water more often than most, try to help the "weekend warrior" be successful. I hope that you can add to the quality of the board. Obviously, you have experience to lend. Welcome to "our" community. 5th (Marty) |
Marty,
Well said, let's retire this post or transfer it to the other board....We all know which board I mean.... If this rain can clear out, we can focus on what makes all of us happy...CATCHING ! Mike |
Let me get this straight.
Start a thread and put someone else name as the starter. Ask a lot of questions. If you don't get the answers you want, then you blame someone else. Blueprint right off Toilet Flush.;) |
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The software only recognizes the DATE of the first post transferred in here, thus that post becomes the first post, and the author becomes the thread starter. Even my post explaining that this had become its own thread got bumped to the middle. I don't have a magic wand to fix it, but if it makes you feel better: HEY EVERYONE.......REDS DIDN"T START THIS THREAD. Some people will ***** that the sun still rises in the east....... |
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Remember guys. Little Croakers are not Spot. Be careful what you fish with. Under 9" is a ticket. Also Spot traps are illegal without a commercial finfish license, even for guides. |
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fish pots are commercial gear. Guides and charters can only facilitate sportsmen to fish, therefore shouldnt be using commercial gear. Guides either need to buy spot from a licensed commercial fishermen or hook and line them. Heck, that is part of the fun or sport of live lining.. that is catching the spot. |
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